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Tuition at Center of Southampton - Tuckahoe Talks

Tuckahoe officials say current tuition rates for their students to attend Southampton High School are unsustainable.

The future of the relationship between Tuckahoe and Southampton school districts hinges largely on one thing: tuition.

The school boards representing the two districts had a joint meeting Wednesday at in Southampton Village, and the tuition rates that pays to for educating Tuckahoe students dominated the discussion. Tuckahoe does not have a high school of its own, so it sends most of its ninth- through 12th-graders to . Tuckahoe officials said that they have had to cut costs drastically in recent years at their prekindergarten to eighth-grade school to afford Southampton’s tuition rate — but they cannot and will not continue to slash Tuckahoe teachers, administrators and programs from their budget to support high school costs.

Tuckahoe already allows parents the choice of sending their children to Westhampton Beach High School, where the tuition cost to Tuckahoe is less per student. If Westhampton Beach became the only choice, the move could save Tuckahoe taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars annually.

Current Rates Westhampton
Tuition Southampton
Tuition

Difference
in Dollars

Different
in Percent Regular Ed. $19,901 $22,695 $2,794 14.0% Special Ed. $61,207 $76,212 $15,005 24.5%

Southampton Superintendent J. Richard Boyes, Ed.D., said he did some research into the history between the districts, and found that in the mid-1980s, the school boards informally came up with a tuition amount. He said it was a simpler time; only nine students were being sent from Tuckahoe to Southampton. Tuition changed annually based on budget or salary increases, and negotiations.

“By the early 1990s, things had formalized more, and people had found out there was a state-approved formula called the Seneca Falls Formula,” Boyes said, and after Tuckahoe requested the formula be implemented for determining the tuition rate, Southampton reimbursed Tuckahoe $385,000 for perceived overpayments in the past.

“It was requested by Tuckahoe — that’s not to say that Southampton clings to the formula as the be all and end all,” Boyes said.

Tuckahoe School Board Vice Chair Dr. Daniel Crough said he foresees the disparity between the two school districts in taxes and costs only growing in the future, with Tuckahoe cutting more costs than Southampton.

In Tuckahoe, property assessments have been declining, while assessments are rising in , which includes multimillion-dollar oceanfront mansions, whose huge tax bills give other taxpayers relief.

“Unfortunately, I think the Seneca Falls Formula is unsustainable for the Tuckahoe School and Southampton,” Crough said.

Tuckahoe School Board member Sharon Grindle was skeptical of the Seneca Falls Formula, and the numbers plugged into the equation to arrive at the tuition rate.

Southampton officials took exception. Southampton School Board President David Dubin said the formula is not arbitrary, and Boyes added unequivocally, “We’re not manipulating numbers.”

Dubin said that Southampton is not be amenable to offering reduced tuition rates if Tuckahoe will still be sending students to other districts. “Quite honestly I don’t think that’s realistic,” he said. Rather, he wants exclusivity, so Southampton knows well in advance how many Tuckahoe students will enroll each year and can plan accordingly.

Tuckahoe School Board Chairman Robert Grisnik said that, as of next year, Tuckahoe will average 40 students annually entering high school.

Dubin pointed out that there is more to consider than just the cost of tuition — Tuckahoe is also currently paying to bus students to two different high schools, with Westhampton Beach being the farther of the two.

Adding to the strain on both school districts’ budgets is a new state-mandated cap of 2 percent on annual tax levy increases. Although Tuckahoe adhered to the cap in its 2012-13 budget proposal, on May 15. The district will put a on the ballot June 19, with a proposed tax levy increase of 0.99 percent.

Tuckahoe Superintendent Chris Dyer said that Tuckahoe struggles with a growing population, which creates both a space issue and a staffing issue. And, he said, the district also has about 25 percent of its budget tied up in tuition. “We do not have control over a large part of our budget.”

Methods of reducing costs for both districts were touched on, many of which had been done in the past, such as sharing food services. Southampton and Tuckahoe have already began sharing some busing costs.

“I am absolutely convinced there are better efficiencies that can be achieved than in the past,” Boyes said.

Nicolas Dyno, the assistant superintendent for instruction at Southampton, said he does not want cost saving measures to come at the expense of the array of electives, advanced placement courses, and other programs that Southampton offers to both its local students and Tuckahoe students.

Boyes said Southampton’s higher tuition costs compared to nearby districts is a function of the services Southampton offers. But, he added, if Tuckahoe stopped sending its students to Southampton High School, “We would not be able to offer the same breadth of programs to our own students.”

KRUSH June 08, 2012 at 11:30 AM
WHAT IS THE TUITION TUCKAHOE PAYS SOUTHAMPTON PER STUDENT EACH YEAR?
John C June 08, 2012 at 11:49 AM
Another reason for the two districts to join together that would be a win win plan and would cut supervisor costs and that alone is a savings. The people need to vote if they want lower taxes in Tuckahoe by joining Districts not the school board. Put joining the two districts on the block for a vote by the people of the tax paying district.
David D'Agostino June 08, 2012 at 01:14 PM
So the Southampton Board President, Mr. Dubin, instead of agreeing to lower the amount charged by Southampton to something closer to Westhampton, wants an "exclusivity"? He wants the parents of Tuckahoe to be forced to send their children to Southampton even though Westhampton charges significantly less, even with busing? Wrong answer and shows exactly the type of implacable arrogance Tuckahoe is up against. Tuckahoe taxpayers are tired of propping up Southampton.
Mary Beth June 08, 2012 at 01:20 PM
This entire meeting sounds backwards. Instead of Southampton threatening Tuckahoe "give us an exclusivity or else", Tuckahoe should be saying, "charge us the same as Westhampton or we will give THEM the exclusivity." Time to play hard ball.
Diane Sadowski June 08, 2012 at 01:37 PM
What about the Hampton Bay's option? $ 2 million a year! COST comparison per Year for Tuckahoe students to Attend a less expensive High School : 2015-2016 info taken from http://www.tuckahoecommonsd.com/district_business_proposed_budget.php Southampton High School ONLY $6,288,219.00 Hampton Bays High School ONLY $3,726,234.08
David D'Agostino June 08, 2012 at 02:08 PM
The Hampton Bay's schools are over-crowded and under-funded and Westhampton is already significantly less than Southampton.
Brendan J. O'Reilly (Editor) June 08, 2012 at 02:08 PM
I am waiting for a reply from Tuckahoe School District. I will bring you the info as soon as I get it.
Mary Beth June 08, 2012 at 02:54 PM
Did you send your child to Hampton Bays, Ms. Sadowski? Why don't we just forget education all together, abolish public schools and let everyone fend for themselves. The people of Tuckahoe are completely fed up with your complete disregard for students. We are the same people who willingly funded your child's public school education, stop trying to destroy ours.
Brendan J. O'Reilly (Editor) June 08, 2012 at 04:33 PM
Just added a table of the tuition rates and differences.
Diane Sadowski June 08, 2012 at 10:34 PM
Mary Beth, Who are you anyhow? You dont know my voting record or how I have regarded or disregarded anything. Stick to the facts and you might not be blinded by your own ignorance. I have no problems with sending my grandchildren to HB. What is your beef with HB? Can you back it up with some sound facts and statistics? Or do you have some personal bias and prejudice? HMMMMMMMMMM.......Who r U?
michael cuba June 09, 2012 at 01:53 AM
To find the cost of educating a Tuckahoe student in another school district you should not just use tuition. You should also factor in transportation costs, fees for extracurricular activities(sports, field trips, clubs,etc.),travel time for students, etc. As for special ed tuition 1 or 2 needy students can cost $100,000/year and change the average significantly. You need to know if the numbers for special ed. tuition are based on the same services for the same services.
John C June 12, 2012 at 09:12 AM
Enough said after tuckahoe you should pay your own way where you want your kid to go, and then see what you need to spend and relieve the taxpayers of your bunden
raydog June 12, 2012 at 11:00 AM
You people are pathetic. Now that you have no need for it, you treat the kids at Tuckahoe School like a cheap commodity. As you slum it in the Hamptons and bicker on about how to save a few bucks educating children - from your iMacs and the extra computer room at your oversized house in one of the most expensive zip codes in the country. As an ex board member and a doctor Michael Cuba should be ashamed of himself for turning into a bean counter when it comes to the education of others' children after an upbringing in academia. Don't forget that sometimes the cost of not doing something correctly can later far outweigh any the corners you want to cut now.
John C October 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Hey all If you want you kid to go to Westhampton or another school why don't you pay it from Your own pocket not from mine. we need our taxes dropped and let the people with kids pay their own way for a change not on my dime.

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