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Plastic Bag Ban Hearing Voted Down

Grocers still interested in educational pilot program.

A — one of Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst’s championed — hit a major political road block Tuesday night.

The Southampton Town Board will not move forward with a Dec. 22 public hearing on the issue after a resolution to set the hearing failed by a vote of 3-2, with Councilmen Chris Nuzzi and Jim Malone and Councilwoman Nancy Graboski voting “no.” The Republican-Conservative troika axed the resolution after discussing how efforts for an educational pilot program, rather than a regulatory ban, foundered earlier this year.

“We’re asking to not have a public hearing, and to go to a work session,” Nuzzi said during the heated discussion on the legislation.

Throne-Holst’s next steps in tackling the project, brought to the board by the Sustainable Southampton Green Advisory Committee, were unclear Wednesday morning. The legislation proposes banning all single-use plastic checkout bags less than 2 millimeters thick after a six-month educational campaign.

Throne-Holst said that the grocery store industry — whose representatives say it will have to grapple with new costs if the legislation passes — was not interested in a pilot educational program if she was still considering a ban.

But, education alone does not produce the decrease in plastic bag use the town ultimately desires, making a ban necessary, Throne-Holst said. Councilwoman Bridget Fleming co-sponsored the resolution after learning that much of the Southampton business community supports the ban, as shown by a survey.

Grocers were interested in a pilot program that would discourage the use of both plastic and paper bags, originally scheduled to kick-off in the late fall, said Patricia Brodhagen, the vice president for public and consumer affairs at the Albany-based Food Industry Alliance of New York State. The industry also wanted to measure the program’s impact.

But, grocers came to the understanding at an August meeting that Throne-Holst planned to enact a regulatory ban anyway. Because of costs, stores could not both comply with a ban as well as undertake a major educational program, Brodhagen said.

“We had to think whether or not it was an exercise in futility,” she added.

Brodhagen said that the ban could spark an uptick in the use of paper bags, which also have a negative environmental effect, are three times as expensive as plastic and could create $50,000 in new costs for stores. Grocers in general only have a net profit margin of 1 percent, so they would have to come up with $5 million in new sales to cover the new cost, she said.

That $5 million could come from a reduction in service at the stores, lost jobs or new costs to customers, she said.

Brodhagen said she had not heard about the status of educational program or regulatory ban until Friday’s work session.

“We would still be interested in an educational program,” Brodhagen said. “Bag reduction is good for everybody, but I don’t know where this will go next.”

Jude Lyons December 14, 2011 at 04:50 pm
Im not sure its good for everyone...first thing is the plastic bag industry employs a lot of people but more important...they banned them in Calif ...now all the trash bins are full of flies and smell because the paper bags rot especially if wet...I certainly however, dont want to see a poor sea gull with a plastic bag in his beak...so I wish someone could come up with an alternative.......
Brendan J. O'Reilly (Editor) December 14, 2011 at 05:10 pm
Jude, the law does not ban plastic garbage bags, just the bags stoes give you to carry your purchases out.
Mary Beth December 14, 2011 at 05:16 pm
"Brodhagen said that the ban could spark an uptick in the use of paper bags, which also have a negative environmental effect, are three times as expensive as plastic and could create $50,000 in new costs for stores. Grocers in general only have a net profit margin of 1 percent, so they would have to come up with $5 million in new sales to cover the new cost, she said.'
Sheer nonsense.
Mary Beth December 14, 2011 at 05:17 pm
They cannot even allow a public hearing? The local board acts exactly like their party members in congress. Disgusting, partisan nonsense. Nuzzi, Malone and Graboski should be ashamed.
Roger Blaugh December 14, 2011 at 05:33 pm
First of all, there was never a public education program put into place by the Business Alliance and lobbyists who lead the opposition to this legislation and proposed an education program for the Town.
Secondly, this is not about replacing plastic with paper, it's about bringing your own bag to the store (BYOBag). Retailers in markets where BYOBag programs are in place consistently report reduced costs, not increased costs. Finally, let's don't be fooled for a minute with an "education program smoke screen". This is about extracting as much political contribution from an industry that stands to lose not just Southampton, but all of Long Island as its customer base. Southampton is either the starting point of that domino game or the end. If you spread enough cash to the various political contribution points of a given party, you can buy the results you want and bring an end to the problem in Southampton. The trouble with Southampton is that politics take precedence over good government, common sense, the opinions of the business community and, quite obviously, our fragile environment. Now, instead of bringing pride to Southampton, the GOP and Business Alliance have brought shame and embarrassment to our community.
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Jerry Can December 14, 2011 at 08:19 pm
Congratulations to the board for their courageous vote. It takes character to vote against the latest green fad. Its better to take a more timely approach that looks at the whole litter problem in the town and not just one aspect of it. BYOBag should be encouraged but not made compulsory. True research should be done on the whole problem, where the problems occur the most and why. A decision should be reached based on hard facts and not loosely collected and interpreted anecdotal
evidence. More should be done to truly protect our environment and more should be expected from the town board than simply passing a ban on plastic bags. We have have a litter problem not a plastic bag problem. Ultimately, put a referendum on the ballot and let the whole town decide and not a vocal few. I can live with that.
David D'Agostino December 14, 2011 at 08:27 pm
It takes courage to vote against giving the public a voice?
Roger Blaugh December 14, 2011 at 08:44 pm
First, Jerry is going to study it. Then he's going to let someone else decide; the whole of the Town is his suggestion. To put that in English, it means: push it off for as long as you possibly can with more indecision, then get out of making a decision by letting someone else decide so you don't get any heat for your "decision". Jerry, you must work for the government. God, help us!
Mike Swire December 14, 2011 at 09:39 pm
Can you cite one plastic bag education program that has worked, anywhere in the world? California is ten years ahead of you and is coming to the realization that education doesn't work and education campaign $ were wasted. Meanwhile, bans throughout the world have had astounding success. Plastic bags were banned ten years ago in Bangladesh. Shame on an affluent community like Southampton for blaming cost for an ideologically driven decision.
Jerry Can December 14, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Hey "Dodger" go photograph the plastic bags in the town for us again...LOL and great research you did for SAVE. A little anecdote here another one there.Misinterpret the scanty data collected and make a recommendation to the Village board. Dodger that's an appropriate screen name. At least I'm trying to address a greater problem to the town than plastic bags. Open you eyes and look what's on the side of the roads. Plastic bags are the least of the problem. And in the scheme of things, letting people decide in a referendum is the best way to get compliance and education. Education is only one aspect of the problem, facilitating litter disposal and recycling opportunities is as important.
gayle reisig December 15, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I agree 100%-shame, shame, shame on you our elected officials!
gayle reisig December 15, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Thank you for your important details on this state of affairs here in Southampton. It amazes me how we can continue to be so divided when we need unity so badly. Politics as usual are truly embarrassing to those of us who know what the right thing is.
GOLD FINGER December 15, 2011 at 04:50 pm
Wow all this passion over plastic bags. Just imagine what you all could accomplish on real issues like unemployment and reducing the debt out here. Plastic bags folks.... Really? This planet had survive meteorites earth quakes fires floods for over 3 billion years ... I don't think a few Plastic bags by the human race over the last 50 yrs is really going to hurt this planet of ours but people fighting over the use of plastic vs paper just might
Mary Beth December 15, 2011 at 05:35 pm
Some of us can focus on more than one thing at a time.
Jerry Can December 15, 2011 at 07:09 pm
I agree Gold Finger. I would rather focus on leaf pick up in Southampton town. I'm sure we can all agree about that...
Roger Blaugh December 15, 2011 at 07:25 pm
Just to catch you boys up, leaf collection has been resolved...start bagging' fellas!

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